Recently my friend Lisa and I had tea at a small tea room in our area. Of the dozen or so tables about half were filled. Conversations were low; the atmosphere was relaxing. We’d just finished our soup when it happened: Moms with small children came in the door!
The first fuss began even before they were seated. Both mothers wanted to bring their huge monster strollers into the tea room. There really wasn’t enough space but the mothers insisted, crowding the tables next to them. The children both about 3 years old, didn’t remain in the strollers but sat on their mothers’ laps. You might imagine how long that lasted.
At various times while we were having our tea, the children ran around the tea room, even into the open kitchen, they screamed, they cried, one threw a tantrum while lying on the floor, one sang at the top of his lungs and they both ran up to the other guests playing tag.
What were the mothers doing while all that was going on? You guessed it! They were completely oblivious to what was going on. The waitress tried to wrangle the kids but she was not very successful. Dirty looks were flying around the room to no avail. As the courses arrived at their table, the mothers herded the children back to eat. Most of their food was thrown on the floor along with the sugar packets they’d been given to play with, an unappetizing mess for the rest of us.
Lisa and I both agreed that this was the worst tea experience we’d ever had. We couldn’t hold a conversation because of the noise, we had to be constantly on guard that one of the children would run into us and frankly we were more than a little annoyed and peeved. If this tea room didn’t require a full deposit at the time of the reservation, we would have simply gotten up and walked out the door.
So what can be done about unruly children in tea rooms? Many tea rooms have policies regarding children. Some say that no children under age 6 will be permitted; others put the age at a very high 12. I’ve seen several that state “Well behaved guests of all ages are welcome.” I’m afraid that last one might be too subtle. The tea room owner could have spoken with the mothers, asking specifically that the children be kept at their table. She could have asked them to leave. She could refuse any future reservations by those mothers. Would that be bad publicity for the tea room as the mothers tell their friends how poorly they were treated (in their eyes only.) Hmmm, 24 very unhappy guests, 2 rude mothers. I believe I'd ban them.
Now I realize some people may read this and disagree. Some will say that the children had a “right” to be there. Maybe those people have never heard the expression, “Your rights end where mine begin.” There is also the argument that children must be taken out in public restaurants so they will learn how to behave. I agree, but very young children should be taken to family style places, not tea rooms with their expectation of calm. And as part of the teaching experience, if the child begins to disturb other guests, she should be taken to the restroom, outside to the car or back home.
We eat with all our senses and I believe tea room owners know this better than anyone. The rooms are decorated beautifully, the food is presented in the prettiest ways, waitresses are welcoming and helpful. When our senses are overloaded by the commotion of crying, screaming children who are running around, our entire tea experience is diminished.



21 comments:
I sympathize with you !!
There is nothing more disturbing than a child crying in a restaurant or any public eating place,I go to relax and be served in a relaxing atmosphere, you PAY to get away.
I never say anything to the owner but it makes me think parents should take more control, my kids were the quiet kinda kids so it never happened to me, but I know some parents are so use to the racket they cant hear it anymore,but the rest of us sure do!!
Love your blog!
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Diane
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I agree with you. Tea rooms are very special places and to go to one is considered, at least for me, a real event. Sometimes tea rooms will offer a children's tea which is nice if you want to teach your child tea manners and want them to have exposure to an elegant place, but I don't think they belong there for any other reason, unless of course, they are very well behaved.
I agree with Charli and me; tea rooms may offer special children's teas, as a way of teaching (the lost art of) manners; these two mothers would have benefited greatly if they had been taught at an earlier age, too! I would have asked the owner to say something, though. As for my children, my husband and I knew better than to take them places to dine that they were not ready for.Unfortunately, we live in an era that some people seem to think that they are entitled...Susan T.
I know of one tea room that limits the age, except for a once-a-week "Moms and tots" tea. I think that's a brilliant idea.
And I agree with you - I prefer a quiet tea ambience. :-)
How awful! Nope, I don't disagree with you at all. I couldn't agree more!
I do think that children could be allowed if very well-behaved. There are probably some 3-year old little girls that would sit at the table, fascinated by all the pretty things - but very few!
I would never allow my child to run around and disturb other guests. Those mothers should have known better. And the owner should have felt comfortable telling them to control their children. Why is that considered such a bad thing these days?
Oh Alice, I heartily agree with you.
NO one loves small ones more than I but they have no business disrupting the delights of others. This applies to all restaurants, movie theaters, etc.
I do think it is perfectly acceptable to have a no small children rule at tea rooms. They could have an occasional Mommy and Me tea where little ones could learn the art of behaving. : )
Of course, this is the fault of those Mothers. To have brought them there in the first place, to allow them to run amuck...I see this all the time and it is ridiculous. The owner or manager should have said something. The other patrons should not have been disrupted in this way.
I am so sorry you had such a bad experience in a place you usually enjoy!
I agree with you 100%! You cannot blame the child...the mothers are to blame. There is nothing for a child to do in a tea room - I can imagine they would be trying to amuse themselves by running around, etc.
Oh no Alice, I am so sorry your lovley tea was ruined by bad manners...I wonder what Miss Manner's would have done?
I am not quite sure how some parents can so completely tune out their children in public like that?
One thing for sure the owners had some responsibility to the safety and well being of their other clients. How dangerous for the servers to have the children running all over the place like that.
Hope you next tea has more bliss time!
Everyone has been there at least once...
When my kids were little, they were NEVER permitted out of their seats OR to make a sound louder than normal speaking - the first time they did anything out of the ordinary they were up and out to the car immediately...
HAving owned a tea room I can tell you that this is a dilemma! When you offend the two moms it isn't just the two of them..it is the tow of them and EVERYONE they talk to and tell
the story from their perception to.
I have asked mom's to corral their children, I have asked them to leave. It is never easy. :)
I am sorry your tea was messed up. I feel the same!
Alice, what a trying time you must have had. Yes, the mothers were so selfish to inflict that situation on the other customers and the tearoom.
The owner should have pulled up her big girl pants and asked the moms to keep the tots at the table- too dangerous for the employees who could sue if something bad happened. It's hard to find the right words to speak to customers in the correct manner so you need to be prepared/ keep it written down for the just in case occurence.
I run into this every once in a while but since I am at someone's home and the child is a family member I try to bring stickers or tea party favors to keep a tot busy.
It is a tough call, no doubt!
I was so upset by this behaviour, which was allowed by these mothers, that I had to delete the first comment I left here. -sigh-
Needless to say, I think these mothers were..... I just can't think of a nice way to say it. Please inform the tea room that you will not put up with such, again.
~Smilnsigh~
I agree with you. Young children like these should be taken to family fun places. The mother's behavior was even worse than the toddlers, since they were completely oblivious to the discomfort being endured by all the other diners.
OHHH Alice I agree with you whole heartedly..Unfortunetly its happening were ever you go Dinner.Supermarket.screamming Kids UGh, I suppose I could take my kids and now my Grandkids out and know they will behave and a pleasure to do so..but misbehaved kids should be left home with someone till they learn to behave when taken out ..
You are right.And I am so sorry your tea experience was so disrupted and destroyed.
And also, think how unfair it is to the children to have their mothers raise them in ways that guarantee their unpopularity with every reasonable person they encounter in life.
Phew! Thank goodness everyone agreed with you, Alice - otherwise I would never have dared to write what I am about to! (and it may still upset some). I have no children (by choice) and I have a short fuse when other people's kids behave badly. I have yelled at kids running amok in shops, much to the embarrassment of their mothers and the utter amazement of their children ("huh? you're telling ME to shut up??")
I have shouted at parents to control their out-of-control kids in public places, only to be abused in return, not that I cared!
I like your comment "Your rights end where mine begin" - must remember that!
I feel sorry for the owners of the tearoom and other places where this happens. I can fully understand their dilemma, and that's why I'm not afraid to speak up, because I realise their verbal hands are tied.
Alice I'm sorry you had a poor experience!
First of all I think such places should have signs hung in plain view to back up the owner if they do have to take action~ such as "no strollers" or like this restaurant owner (great article)~http://southerngalgoesnorth.blogspot.com/2005/12/unruly-children-bad-parenting.html
I have a three year old son and everyone tells me how well behaved he is. I take this as a VERY high compliment! Yet I would never take him to a tea room, it's no place for him.
I do hair and have to yell at kids in the salon all the time... spinning chairs, pumping them up (these do tip over!), trying to turn on the hose at the shampoo bowls. I have even lost a client because her kid was running around like a banshee and knocked over a huge potted plant. Didn't offer to clean it up or anything! I hate to lose the money, but I can't have that going on, would dread each time she had an apt.
It's bad enough that parents don't care about how their children behave, but it bothers me even more that they don't care about their safety.
Thank you for visiting me today! It's nice to meet you!
Nikki
Sorry, here's the original article!
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2971198&page=1
Parents need to take any comments about their children as direct reflections on their parenting. If you're offended because you're told your children are brats, do something about it. Children are innocent but must be guided.
Nikki
It is difficult to say what I might have done in your situation given that I am often outspoken when it comes to such rudeness. I have never visited a tea room (but would love the opportunity)and would have been appalled by my experience being spoiled by rude children and their parents.
A few weeks ago, DH and I were the first to arrive to lunch in a small restaurant a few towns away from us. When we dine, we speak in low tones, keeping our conversation to our table. One by one, the tables filled as the noise level raised. A multi-generational family sat in the booth behind DH. They spoke as if they were sitting in a barn at a table 10 feet long. I actually spilled some soup (as I was bringing th spoon to my mouth!, when the young mother yelled at her child, hitting the table to emphasize her point That was only the beginning. Soon, we could not hear our own conversation over the several taking place at different tables all around us. One coversation kept getting louder and louder, but was not one of a negative topic, just a friendly LOUD conversation. I kept trying to figure out whose lives I was becoming familiar with, but I could not put the words to any lips that I could see at the tables closest to us. My quest became to put a face to the conversation. It wasn't until we were up and across the room at the cashier that I found the culprits....two young adults seated FIVE booths away from us! Between them and another child (diagonally opposite and across the room from us) alternating between screaming/singing and rambling at the top of his lungs, the sound had risen to an almost intolerable decibel.
My conclusion? Rudeness comes in all ages.
Maybe in our situation, a peaceful lunch was too much to expect, but in your situation..decorum and civility were the expectations of the day.
~anajz~
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